I wonder...

[hmpf]

if Sam and Gene ever argue about the relative merits of the various Doctors. Gene, of course, predates Doctor Who, he had a Wholess childhood (my god, he's prehistoric!), but if he did start to watch the show at some point, his allegiance probably lies with Hartnell or Troughton. For Sam, on the other hand, the One True Doctor must be either Pertwee (though he may be just a tad too young for that) or Tom Baker. Baker, probably, simply because that must have been the predominant Doctor of his childhood.

Hmm...

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[selenak.livejournal.com]

Baker is most likely for Sam due to Sam's age and Baker's length of tenure. Otoh, Sam could also be a valiant upholder of an minority opinion and root for Five, because all of his friends dissed Fivey in a "only Tom Baker and no one else!" fit upon regeneration.

As for Gene, methinks in 1973 he'd be likely to declare the true hero of the show is clearly the Brigadier, for doing his job in a non-nonesense manner and putting up with the slightly insane excentric on the team on an ongoing basis...

Oh yeah!

[hmpf.livejournal.com]

Gene totally would identify with the Brigadier's plight.

But he still must have a favourite Doctor, even if the Doctor is not the favourite character... c'mon, everyone has a favourite Doctor! ;-)

Re: Oh yeah!

[selenak.livejournal.com]

In that case, I say Gene didn't discover his Doctor until the 80s, because he'd definitely root for Six (blustering attitude, occasionally quite vicious, but of course decent in core).

Re: Oh yeah!

[m31andy.livejournal.com]

But no-one likes Six!

/pervy!Six-fancier

Re: Oh yeah!

[selenak.livejournal.com]

I like Six! Not as a favourite (I don't really have a single favourite Doctor, more like a Top 3 Favourite Regenerations), but I do like Six a lot. Admittedly mostly because of the audios, which was when they gave Colin Baker decent scripts, and he truly shone in the role.

I've heard good things about Six!

[hmpf.livejournal.com]

Sadly, I don't have his eps yet. That will be remedied soon, though. I hope.

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[jazzymegster.livejournal.com]

I don't have a favourite Doctor :p

But that's because a) I don't like Dr Who, and b) keozen says that because "my" Doctor was Sylvester McCoy, that's what's to blame. Apparently.

Re: Oh yeah!

[selenak.livejournal.com]

What's wrong with Sylvester McCoy, asks the Seven fan?

Well...

[hmpf.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen any 7th Doctor eps yet - I only know Doctors 1, 2, 3, 4, 9, and 11 (barely), so far - but I have to echo that question. My friend beccatoria, whose judgment I rather trust, loves the 7th Doctor and her reasons sound good to me...

Correction:

[hmpf.livejournal.com]

I meant 10, not 11, of course. For some reason I keep confusing the two, today.

Re: Oh yeah!

[jazzymegster.livejournal.com]

Sorry for the late reply, but I've been trying to think what to say, without sounding like an utter plank. So apologies in advance if I do.

I only watched the episodes as a kid and haven't rewatched since (and have no real desire to do so), so I can't really say what's wrong with Sylvester McCoy. Also I can't really speak for keozen either, but thinking about it, he seemed to think that was reason enough for not liking Dr Who at all (maybe he came off with a worse impression of McCoy than I did? *shrugs* because, to be honest, I was quite surprised when he said that (and I bet he doesn't remember it now, heh) )

Actually, after watching The Silurians,

[hmpf.livejournal.com]

where the Doctor with his more unconventional worldview often chafes against the regulations-and-procedure-happy Brigadier, that identification could work the other way round just as easily: I mean, Sam's the guy who always wants to uphold proper procedure and so on, and Gene's the one who's mainly focused on 'results'! *g*

Oh, and also:

[hmpf.livejournal.com]

the Doctor is the one with the beloved car! ;-)

Re: Actually, after watching The Silurians,

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Ah, but would Gene identify with the Doctor's desire to save the Silurians as opposed to the Brig's decision to blow them to kingdom come?

Re: Actually, after watching The Silurians,

[hmpf.livejournal.com]

No. But there were moments - both in The Silurians and in Spearhead From Space - where the Doctor cheerfully (or, sometimes, grimly) went against what the Brigadier thought was 'right', that made me think of Gene.

I don't think they map onto each other perfectly, either way.

Re: Actually, after watching The Silurians,

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Now you're making me wonder about a crossover in which it's Bessie versus the Quattro.

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[hmpf.livejournal.com]

Quattro?

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[selenak.livejournal.com]

And thus we learn Selena has rewatched far more AtA than LoM and can keep only one of Gene's cars in her memory.

[simplyjaye.livejournal.com]

Not an expert on Life on Mars, so I maybe wrong here basing this on Simm rather than Sam (as I don't know when he was born), but working from John Simm's age (3 years younger than me), I would say that his Doctor would be Davidson.

While I remember watching Pertwee, the original viewings are very fuzzy of those. Baker was certainly far clearly, and he is the most memorable Doctor, IMO. Still, from friends my age and a little younger (including one also born in 1970), we really seem to think of Davidson as 'our' Doctor. Perhaps because of our age (it was at this period I began developing fannish interests, although I certainly had no name for it then), or even because of his being younger than previous Doctors and therefore more relatable to us then.

Of course, just my own personal theory, judging my own experience and that of similar age friends. :)

[m31andy.livejournal.com]

Sam was born in 1969 (as he was four in 1973) - which puts him squarely as having Four as his predominant childhood Doctor - from the age of five to twelve.

Being born in 1975, I should look on Five as "my doctor", but I think I was rather too enamoured of Four. (And, I'm a pervy!Six-fancier as well. *hangs head in shame*)

[simplyjaye.livejournal.com]

I'd still disagree and hold with what I said above. I was born in 1967 and Five is definitely 'my' Doctor always has been, and from my friends who were born in the three years after, all who were casual viewers to fans, Five is also their favourite Doctor.

In going by that, seeing as this is all supposition anyway, as Sam falls into me and my friends' age range, I just went with personal experience for my theory. Not that I don't have a big soft spot for Four, I do (and yeah, I also have a guilty pleasure for Six *g*) but Five is the Doctor I'm drawn to/think of as the prominent Doctor of my childhood.

Or perhaps age has little to do with it, and it's purely a matter of different Doctors for different folks.

Does this go for non-fannish folks, too?

[hmpf.livejournal.com]

Because I'm not sure how many people keep/kept watching Doctor Who beyond childhood, and Sam was very focused on his career from a fairly early age (I think he joined the police at 17), so I can see him as the kind of person who'd kind of 'leave behind' Doctor Who in his teens. Probably to watch more cop shows on TV. *g*

Re: Does this go for non-fannish folks, too?

[simplyjaye.livejournal.com]

One thing to remember is back then, even into the early 80s, most families only had one TV set, and there were only 3-4 channels, so people would watch as a family even out of childhood (and DW was not considered a children's show, but a family show). More people watched the same shows back then, and it was more of a family activity than it is now. Also it was broadcast early Saturday evening...so it would be about teatime, so people would watch together...and before teenagers would head out for the evening...to a pub, club, or just hang out.

There were the cop shows, but they would have been on later in the evening...The Sweeney and The Professionals, for example were definitely post-watershed shows...not so sure on the US cop shows (Starsky & Hutch, etc) but probably 8-9pm.

Re: Does this go for non-fannish folks, too?

[hmpf.livejournal.com]

Hmm. I come from a one-tv household myself (born 1976 - in Germany, multiple tv sets per home were not common even well into the eighties), but, with me not having younger siblings, we didn't watch programming that was mainly aimed at children anymore when I became a teenager.

Granted, Doctor Who is a 'family show', but was it really being watched by the whole family even in families where there are no children present? A lot of teenagers are very anxious to leave behind anything that seems like it's aimed at children... (Sam doesn't have siblings, and his family only consists of his mother and him, so he would have had some considerable influence on the choice of what to watch, I imagine.)

Another factor that just now occurred to me:

[hmpf.livejournal.com]

Sam has daddy issues. He may be more attached to older male characters than to younger ones, on TV. Though I'm not sure how good a father figure Tom Baker makes... possibly Sam's Doctor would be Three, after all.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

OT, since it has absolutely nothing to do with Sam or Gene, but we actually have a very recent statement by John Simm in an interview on the Doctor question. Both for his childhood and now. You might say he developed a work-related crush.

"...he is, I think, the greatest Doctor Who ever. Hands down. It's just brilliant to be his Master..." On the question of whether he'd want to come back with another Doctor: "But I don't want to be a traitor. I'm David's Master, that's my era. I can't really see myself...look, it's a funny thing, because everybody's got their own Doctor, haven't they? My Doctor was Jon Pertwee into Tom Baker...but now my Doctor is David. Nobody can change their Doctor, but I can." He's getting excited. "I am his Master!" Maybe even a little carried away. "Um...what was the question again?"

"...when we had the meeting about it, the first meeting, there were a few conditions -- because Russel was open, as he always is, to ideas. I said,'What I think we needed last time was more tete-a-tetes with the Doctor and the Master.' We didn't have enough scenes together. I had a lot of scenes with the little man in the cage, but that wasn't really him." "That's what people want,' enthuses John. " The Master and the Doctor together. Because they're two sides of the same coin. It's heads talking to tails. I enjoy bouncing off David, so more of that tempted me back. I think we have really good chemistry..."

"David rang me while I was doing The Devil's Whore to say thanks for saying 'yes.' I was moved by that. I was really touched...And David Tennant I really respect. Make no mistake about it, if it wasn't him playing the Doctor, I wouldn't be doing it."

Y'know, it just occurred to me:

[hmpf.livejournal.com]

*Sam* probably barely knows Eleven. He was unconscious for some significant part of 2006, and died either in late 2006 or early 2007... and I don't see him watching much DW during his suicidally depressed convalescent time between waking up and dying.

So the one Doctor we can be fairly certain is not 'Sam's Doctor' is the 11th Doctor.

I know your comment was about Simm, but this realisation about the posthumous nature of the Tennant Doctor with regards to Sam Tyler just hit me under the shower and gave me one of those odd moments of "huh... the present we live in is not Sam's present anymore". Which still feels weird.

I guess this makes me feel...

[hmpf.livejournal.com]

vaguely necrophiliac. *g*

Re: Y'know, it just occurred to me:

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Err, Tennant's Doctor is the Tenth, not the Eleventh. The Eleventh has only just started his tenure last week. *g* But yes, Sam wouldn't be aware of either of them.

Err, make that Ten, not Eleven.

[hmpf.livejournal.com]

The recent regeneration got me confused, clearly. *g*

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