More proof...
Dec. 12th, 2007 01:18 am... that Sam's creators just didn't find him particularly interesting, which explains why they didn't bother to give him proper character development and his story a proper ending:
'I always said to him [John Simm] that he'd got the Tom Cruise rose in Rain Man: his job was to make what Phil does make sense....Without Sam, Gene doesn't make sense; without Gene, Sam just wouldn't be interesting enough. They compliment [sic] one another perfectly'.
- Matthew Graham
Taken from: http://community.livejournal.com/lifein1973/859493.html
As I've suspected for a while, Sam was just a foil for Gene.
(Well, okay, maybe I shouldn't write 'creators'. For all I know it's just Matthew Graham. Who so far has the distinction of having produced all the annoying soundbytes about the show. Haven't heard anything annoying from the other writers yet, really.)
I'm beginning to develop a distinct dislike of Matthew Graham. I should probably stop reading interviews and articles by/about him.
'I always said to him [John Simm] that he'd got the Tom Cruise rose in Rain Man: his job was to make what Phil does make sense....Without Sam, Gene doesn't make sense; without Gene, Sam just wouldn't be interesting enough. They compliment [sic] one another perfectly'.
- Matthew Graham
Taken from: http://community.livejournal.com/lifein1973/859493.html
As I've suspected for a while, Sam was just a foil for Gene.
(Well, okay, maybe I shouldn't write 'creators'. For all I know it's just Matthew Graham. Who so far has the distinction of having produced all the annoying soundbytes about the show. Haven't heard anything annoying from the other writers yet, really.)
I'm beginning to develop a distinct dislike of Matthew Graham. I should probably stop reading interviews and articles by/about him.
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Date: 2007-12-12 04:26 am (UTC)I've been discussing this with Katya (
On the advice of
Most of series two...
Date: 2007-12-12 12:49 pm (UTC)Only in 2.08 they show us that he apparently can't apply that to his life in 2006 - and the way they show it, it is heavily implied that 2006 is just inherently hostile to that kind of approach to life, that it is a sterile, dead world. Bleh.
I never really lost sympathy for Sam, although he is deeply screwed up. Clearly I like my men deeply screwed up. *g* But yeah, the lack of development is annoying. It's like in the old days of TV, when character development was verboten. Ah well, in the old days of TV, this was made up for in fic, and we can still do that. *g*
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Date: 2007-12-12 05:15 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-12 10:11 am (UTC)I don't know.
Date: 2007-12-12 12:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-12 01:41 pm (UTC)(And I was emeriin from a while ago, by the way. Real life got terrible and I had to vanish.)
Don't worry, I remember you. :-)
Date: 2007-12-12 06:56 pm (UTC)I think Sam may be a case of accidental complexity. I think the writers think he is far more straightforward a character than he really is. Much like the tragedy of the ending, Sam's complexity is not the result of a conscious decision but a side-effect of the writer's own psychological make-up. So, both the tragedy and Sam's character are essentially parts of the writers' subconscious made manifest.
Or something.
(I love me some long-distance psychoanalysis of people I've never met. *g*)
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Date: 2007-12-12 09:55 pm (UTC)I'm not really defending Graham too much; I was unhappy with the series finale and while I respect what they were trying to do, I think they cheapened Sam a lot by having him committ suicide, which up to the point it actually happens is very, very out of character (IMHO). But overall I do see character development in both Sam and Gene, which could not possibly happen without the other, and even if it did would not be anywhere near as interesting.
My own suspicion, unsupported natch, is that writers got too carried away with their own cleverness about Sam's situation and went for the metaphysical gut punch rather than the elegant, mysterious ambiguity of it. The sad (not really sad but I mean, rather, reflecting poorly on Graham et al) is that in fanfic there are a few stories that tackle the question "WTF is really going on?" with more panache and creativity than Sam's own creators did.
Just curious...
Date: 2007-12-14 02:21 am (UTC)what is the metaphysical gut punch of 2.08, in your opinion? Because I didn't really feel metaphysically gut punched - or rather, I did, sort of, but in a way that I don't think was intended by the writers, nor shared by 99.9% of the audience.
Re: Just curious...
Date: 2007-12-15 06:47 pm (UTC)Gut punch, obviously because it just seems so out of character with the Sam that has been built up over 16 episodes. If Sam was the suicidal kind he would have just stepped off the building in 1.01 whether Annie was there or not. He was farrrr more desperate at that point than at the end.
Metaphysical because it puts his experiences in 1973 into some spiritual, rather than concrete, context. IMHO. This was his 'soul'/mind shutting down and it was where his spirit went in that moment.
As I get more into the series, I think I'm one of those who thinks that his waking up in 2006 was a dream. The lighting, his listless dispondancy (as opposed to his anxious emoting all during 1973/4), the strangely quick hospital recovery, all point to a lack of life there. I know, I know, "the creators say..." Blah blah. But I am totally unconvinced that Sam would spend so much of the series listening for his mother and then commit suicide on her once he made it back. IMHO he knew that she was not real, that HE was not real, and that bizarrely 1974 was the only reality he had left.
Could still mean he was dead, but cuts out the suicide part which I just find utterly distasteful and unbelievable.
I think for me the problem here is...
Date: 2007-12-15 07:46 pm (UTC)