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Err... mild spoilers... but I don't know how to make an LJ cut. Anyway, not many HP fans are reading my LJ, and these spoilers aren't exactly big, IMO. Still... spoilerspace, I suppose:

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Sorry, I really have to learn how to write LJ code. I used to know how to link, but I keep forgetting how to do it, and I never found out how to cut. *sigh*

Anyway: about bullies and growing up. I would hate to be seen as a blindly forgiving Sirius apologist, but I must say that from my own experience, bullies growing up into decent people *does* happen. I was bullied at school (every bit as badly as Snape, I'd say - even including the underwear bit, sort of) and as the years went by I've seen some of the people who wouldn't let an opportunity to bully me pass become... well 'nice', for lack of a better word. I made friends with one or two of them, to a degree (we even talked about the issue), later on. So, to all the people whose comments I've read today (but who probably don't read my LJ anyway *g*) and who seem to think that nothing short of a major life changing event can change a teenage school bully: even as a mobbing victim myself, I wouldn't judge a grown-up person based on their behaviour at age 15. People can change a lot in puberty, and sometimes, maybe even quite often, they change for the better.

Date: 2003-06-22 09:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ailanreanter.livejournal.com
Pssst...Am currently expected to do something serious,
but since I've read the FAQ recently I can tell you how to cut the entry.Use these: lj-cut text="Text of the link here" /lj-cut and put them into <> like all html.(If I had, they wouldn't be displayed, here).Off to work again now quicklike...^_^

Oh, agreed about bullies at school....

Date: 2003-06-22 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
...I knew several, cried because of them way back when, met them a few years later and lo and behold, they turned out to be decent.

All this being said, I'm still impressed JKR had the guts to present MWPP in a way she had previously reserved for Slytherins.

Thanks, Stargazer!

Date: 2003-06-22 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hmpf.livejournal.com
And thanks for taking off time from work to tell me that! :-)

Hey, thanks.

Date: 2003-06-22 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hmpf.livejournal.com
I've read the 'waaaah, how could JKR do that to the Marauders, they were so OOC, how could they grow up to be the people we know if they were like THAT in school?!?' litany several times now and am getting annoyed. Nice to see another former mobbing victim weigh in on the matter. I daresay the two of us have some authority to speak about this! ;-)

Ah well. I can't help reading the books with a focus on Sirius, JKR just managed to push all my buttons with him from the get-go. (You know my preferences... ) And then I made the mistake of reading a bit too much, (and too *good*) fanfic about him, which turned the man who was barely more than a plot device in the books ('cause I really had an inkling he was just that even when I read GoF - it always felt a bit like she didn't really know what to do with him, he was just *there*) into a very real, very multi-faceted character. If I hadn't done that the death wouldn't have had much of an impact on me, but fanfic has a way of making characters real to me in a way that the original work often doesn't do. After all, most fanfic is all about emotional intensification. So, to me Sirius (and Remus, who is in most of the fics about Sirius) is a lot more real than the rest of the characters, and I have a lot more invested in them. The books are... nice, but they just aren't obsession material for me. Fanfic!Sirius, however, is. I've printed out some 500 pages of fic by now. I've even started to read slash! (*mind boggles*)

Ah well...

Date: 2003-06-23 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I like some of the HP fanfic, but it's the books I fell in love with, which already makes a difference. More on Sirius and death in my reply to your other entry.

Now what fanfic I've read does certainly flesh out Snape (you know my preferences ), but still, even if JKR had killed good old Severus off instead of Sirius - while I would grumble about wasted potential, I wouldn't stop loving the books. I don't think I ever loved a book, or a TV show, just for one (or two) characters alone.

Liking a book or series for one character...

Date: 2003-06-23 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hmpf.livejournal.com
Well, it's happened to me once before - with Highlander. Well, and another time, sort of, with Hellsing, but not quite as extremely. It's not that I don't like the books - I just don't obsess about them. And I probably wouldn't be obsessing about Sirius if I hadn't read all that fan fiction about him, either. In a few short weeks, Sirius has made it into the top list of characters I'm obsessing about, right alongside Methos, Frodo, John Crichton - it's a very exclusive club! Some of my favourite characters die in 'The Borribles', as well, but that wasn't nearly as bad as this, although I liked the Borribles books better than HP, all things considered. So, I won't stop *liking* the HP books, but the thing I loved most about them is gone.

Date: 2003-07-03 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
BTW, thanks for the spoiler warning. I appreciate it.

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